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Naveed Jamali tells the story of how he went from a family business in New York to working with the FBI as a double agent against Russian military intelligence before eventually becoming a Naval Intelligence officer. We also discuss how the Russians recruit assets, the psychological toll of undercover work, encounters with suspected Chinese intelligence, and why counterintelligence still matters today. Today's Sponsors: VAER Watches ⬇️ https://www.vaerwatches.com/theteamhouse get a free watch roll with your purchase. 20% for active duty, veteran, leo, & first responders GhostBed ⬇️ https://www.ghostbed.com/house FOR 10% off! Quince⬇️ go to: https://www.quince.com/house for free shipping and 365 day returns Housecall Pro ⬇️ Ready to save time and win more jobs? For a limited time only, our listeners get 50% OFF base plans for their first 3 months at https://HousecallPro.com/HOUSE For ad free video and audio and access to live streams...JOIN OUR PATREON! https://www.patreon.com/c/TheTeamHouse To help support the show and for all bonus content including: -live shows and asking guest questions -ad free audio and video -early access to shows -Access to ALL bonus segments with our guests Subscribe to our Patreon! ⬇️ https://www.patreon.com/TheTeamHouse ___________________________________________________ GRAB JACK'S NEW BOOK "THE MOST DANGEROUS MAN" ⬇️⬇️⬇️⬇️⬇️ https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/803651/the-most-dangerous-man-by-jack-murphy/paperback/ Subscribe to the new EYES ON podcast here:⬇️ https://www.youtube.com/@EyesOnGeopoliticsPod/featured Jack Murphy's book "We Defy: The Lost Chapters of Special Forces History" ⬇️ https://www.amazon.com/We-Defy-Chapters-Special-History-ebook/dp/B0DCGC1N1N/ Or make a one time donation at: ⬇️ https://ko-fi.com/theteamhouse Social Media: ⬇️ The Team House Instagram: https://instagram.com/the.team.house?utm_medium=copy_link The Team House Twitter: https://twitter.com/TheTeamHousePod Jack’s Instagram: https://instagram.com/jackmcmurph?utm_medium=copy_link Jack’s Twitter: https://twitter.com/jackmurphyrgr?s=21 Team House Discord: ⬇️ https://discord.gg/wHFHYM6 "Karl Casey @ White Bat Audio" 00:00 – Start 05:24 – How a Future Navy Intel Officer Became an FBI Asset 08:18 – Growing Up Around New York’s Espionage World 10:22 – Why New York Is a Hub for Foreign Intelligence 13:18 – How His Parents Became Involved With the FBI 14:25 – A KGB Officer Walks Into the Family Business 18:04 – Russian Surveillance & Sending a Message 19:15 – Meeting Oleg, the GRU Officer 20:15 – Why the Russians Wanted Open-Source Military Material 22:02 – Robert Hanssen & Rebuilding Russia’s Spy Network 23:40 – Russia’s Long-Term Plan to Cultivate an American Asset 26:32 – 9/11 & Wanting to Join Naval Intelligence 28:21 – Pitching Himself to the FBI 30:24 – Using Counterintelligence Work to Get Into the Navy 34:39 – Designing His Own Double-Agent Operation 36:28 – “Does Oleg Have a Gun?” 39:04 – The Psychological Toll of Living Undercover 39:52 – MICE: Why People Become Spies 44:43 – Convincing the Russians He Was Motivated by Money & Ego 48:30 – Taking the Relationship With Oleg to the Next Level 51:06 – Moving the Spy Meetings Out of the Office 52:28 – When Russia Started Tasking Him for Intelligence 53:31 – Walking Into Northrop Grumman for the FBI 55:03 – How Dangerous Was the Operation? 57:05 – Russian Intimidation After the Operation 59:03 – A Suspicious Encounter With Russia Today 1:02:04 – A Russian Approach Targeting a National Security Journalist 1:06:06 – Intelligence Agencies & the Press 1:09:29 – Influencers, Propaganda & Russian Money 1:12:22 – Being Surveilled by Suspected Chinese Intelligence 1:15:29 – A Surveillance Vehicle Outside His Home 1:17:06 – Why Chinese Intelligence Was Interested in Him 1:19:05 – The Counterintelligence Threat From China 1:23:28 – Showing Oleg a Sensitive Government Database 1:25:08 – The Russian Thumb Drive That Nearly Blew Everything Up 1:26:20 – The FBI Turns on Him 1:27:13 – Setting the Final Trap for Oleg 1:31:24 – The Arrest Plan Goes Sideways 1:37:48 – Finally Learning How Big the Operation Really Was 1:40:27 – How the Operation Disrupted Russian Intelligence Collection 1:41:27 – What Happened to Oleg 1:44:22 – The FBI Helps Him Become a Naval Intelligence Officer 1:46:24 – Telling the Spy Story Inside a SCIF 1:48:25 – How a Chance Encounter Led to How to Catch a Russian Spy 1:50:39 – Balancing a Media Career With Naval Intelligence 1:53:20 – The Mental Cost of Undercover Work 1:56:42 – When the Stress Finally Caught Up With Him 1:58:22 – Life After Intelligence & Journalism 2:00:17 – Flying the B-2, B-1 & B-52 2:02:42 – Why Deterrence Still Matters 2:05:18 – Flying on America’s Doomsday Plane 2:07:32 – Knowing When It’s Time to Pass the Torch 2:10:38 – Closing Thoughts Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-team-house--5960890/support.
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